United Methodists confront possible split over LGBTQ issues

MARK: HUNDREDS OF DELEGATES FROM THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ARE IN ST.LOUIS ABOUT TO MAKE A DECISION THAT COULD MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON THE CHURCH. THEY’RE TRYING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHETHER TO ACCEPT SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND LGBTQ CLERGY. NBC4S DANIELLE AVITABLE HAS BEEN SPEAKING WITH PASTORS AND PARISHIONERS SINCE THIS MORNING ABOUT THE CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC… DANIELLE? DANIELLE: MOST PASTORS IN THIS AREA TELL ME THEY ARE WELCOMING TO ALL PEOPLE..

JUST LIKE THIS SIGN SAYS ON THE CHURCHBUT SOME PASTORS TELL ME THEY BELIEVE MARRIAGE SHOULD BE BETWEEN A MAN AND MARRIAGE BEING WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX.. BUT LIVINGSTON UNITED METHODIST CHURCH PARISHIONER MICHAEL BUCK SAYS HE IS HOPING THE DECISION MADE AT THE UMC CONFERENCE TUESDAY CHANGES THAT FOR HIS CHURCH. MICHAEL BUCK/ PARISHIONER : “IT’S VERY APPREHENSIVE AND SCARY TO KNOW THAT THE WELCOMING OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND MYSELF IS ALL ON THE LINE” THE TRADITIONAL PLAN WHICH REINFORCES THE CHURCHS CURRENT STANCE. THE ONE CHURCH PLAN THAT ALLOWS SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND THE ORDINATION OF LGBTQ PASTORS AND THEN THERE IS THE CONNECTIONAL CONFERENCE PLAN THAT WOULD RECOGNIZE CHURCHES BY CONFERENCES BASED ON BELIEFS.

MICHAEL BUCK/ PARISHIONER “THE WORLD IS WATCHING THE UMC CHURCH AND KEEP MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMEN AT THEIR CHURCHES.. HOWEVER- BUCK TELLS ME HES HOPING FOR THE ONE CHURCH PLAN. MICHAEL BUCK/ PARISHIONER “IT WOULD GIVE THIS CHURCH MORE FREEDOM AND MORE RIGHT TO PERFORM WEDDINGS HERE” PASOR JASON WELLMAN AT SCIOTO RIDGE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH SAYS HIS CONGREGATION IS DIVERSE SO NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME THEY WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. JASON WELLMAN/ SENIOR PASTOR “I TRUST THAT GOD’S NOT DONE WITH UNITED METHODIST CHURCH I THINK IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT AND WE’LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE NAVIGATE UNCHARTERED TERRITORY” DANIELLE: A DECISION IS EXPECTED TO BE MADE TOMORROW.. AND PASTOR WELLMAN SAYS HE BELIEVES IT WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON CHURCHES LOCALLY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

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Methodist church faces LGBTQ policy decisions

There are two big choices facing a church that 400,000 of you call your spiritual home the United Methodist Church is about to decide whether to allow openly gay people to be ordained as members of the clergy and whether the church will perform same-sex weddings John Henry’s on that for us United Methodist Church is the third largest church in America between Baltimore Washington and Virginia they’re roughly four hundred and seventy thousand people who practice that faith in our region right now many of them are keeping their eyes on st. Louis that’s where a pivotal vote will soon take place church leaders will decide between several proposals that will shape how the Methodist Church approaches LGBTQ issues one proposal wants to keep things as they are gay people could not be ordained and the clergy would not be allowed to perform same-sex marriages another idea would remove all of those bands now DC resident and married lesbian TC Mauro is in st.

Louis with members of foundry UMC she would like to see the church be more friendly to the LGBTQ community she said it was just three years ago when she did not get the number of votes needed to become ordained in the church it is frustrating in order to know that so many other people have left the United Methodist Church to put their good talents to use in other denominations and and I hope that regardless of what happens that harm to gay and lesbian people is reduced as much as possible not everyone wants change a prominent Methodist from Memphis recently wrote on his Facebook page that things should stay the way they are that division concerns some that this can all altima tear the United Methodist Church apart or divide it into progressive and traditional wings we’ll just have to see how its leaders vote Leslie .

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PATIENT. AND THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. >> ONE ISSUE, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE — YOU HAVE EQUAL PROTECTION, IT’S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE COURTS, THE DECISIONS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE UNIFORM. BUT THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE OF FAITH WHO SAY MARRIAGE IS OURS, GOD SAYS IT IS A MAN AND A WOMAN. THE BIBLE SAYS MY FAITH SAYS — WHICH ONE WINS WITH DR. CARSON? >> HERE’S WHAT I WOULD DO, I WOULD DO WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS CIVIL ISSUES OF THAT NATURE SHOULD BE DETERMINED AT THE STATE LEVEL. WHY DOES IT SAY THAT? BECAUSE THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AT THE STATE LEVEL HAS TO ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE. >> WHAT IF PEOPLE OF THE STATE VOTE FOR A LAW 100-0 THAT WINDS UP INFRINGING ON THE RIGHTS OF A MINORITY LIKE HAPPENED VERY OFTEN WITH SLAVERY? LIKE MANY WOULD ARGUE IS HAPPENING NOW WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY? >> AND OUR CONSTITUTION WAS FOLLOWED AND WE CORRECTED THOSE THINGS. >> AND ISN’T THAT WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE? IT’S BEING CORRECTED AS A FORM OF VIOLATION OF EQUAL PROTECTION.

>> NO. YOU CAN’T JUST SAY BECAUSE IT HAPPENED THAT WAY THIS TIME, THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION, IT’S NOT THE SAME SITUATION. >> WHY NOT? >> BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEIR RACE, FOR INSTANCE. >> YOU THINK THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR SEXUALITY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU THINK BEING GAY IS A CHOICE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? >> BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO INTO PRISON, GO INTO PRISON STRAIGHT, AND WHEN THEY COME OUT THEY’RE GAY.

DID SOMETHING HAPPEN WHILE THEY WERE IN THERE? >> YOU KNOW THERE’S A WHOLE THEORY OF DOMINANCE. >> I SAID A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO IN COME OUT — ARE YOU DENYING THAT’S TRUE? >> I’M NOT DENYING THAT’S TRUE, BUT I’M DENYING THAT’S A BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING HOMOSEXUALITY. >> IF THAT’S THE CASE, IT OBVIOUSLY THWARTS WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE GO INTO JAIL A DRUG ADDICT AND COME OUT A CRIMINAL. >> WHY DO GAY PEOPLE WANT TO GET MARRIED? THEY WANT TO HAVE VARIOUS RIGHTS, PROPERTY RIGHTS, VISITATION RIGHTS. >> THEY WANT THEIR COMMITMENT TO COUNT JUST LIKE MINE AND MY WIVES? >> WHY CAN’T ANY TWO HUMAN BEINGS — WHY CAN’T THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THOSE THINGS.

>> THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE FIGHTING FOR. >> THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. >> IT WOULD REQUIRE COVERING THAT UNION AS YOU DO OTHERS, WHICH .